Boxing

[HalloweenJack]

Fury to beat foreman is a disgraceful comment

I didn’t say he definitely would, but the Fury that beat Wlad would trouble Foreman imo. Legacy wise Fury isn’t as high as Foreman but he was better than you give him credit for.

Legacy wise fury is literally nowhere

‘Contrarian opinion’

A lot of people consider Fury to be a hypejob nowadays.

Recency bias. Fury will be inducted in the hall of fame and apart from Usyk, I doubt anyone else from this era will. Dubois still has time tbf.

[sennafan24]

I didn’t say he definitely would, but the Fury that beat Wlad would trouble Foreman imo. Legacy wise Fury isn’t as high as Foreman but he was better than you give him credit for.

Legacy wise fury is literally nowhere

‘Contrarian opinion’

A lot of people consider Fury to be a hypejob nowadays.

Recency bias. Fury will be inducted in the hall of fame and apart from Usyk, I doubt anyone else from this era will. Dubois still has time tbf.

So are Vinny Paz and Arturo Gatti.

Doesn't mean they were ATG boxers.

[TheMalteseDart]

I’ve got as much chance of a hall of fame appearance as Dubois

[HalloweenJack]

Legacy wise fury is literally nowhere

‘Contrarian opinion’

A lot of people consider Fury to be a hypejob nowadays.

Recency bias. Fury will be inducted in the hall of fame and apart from Usyk, I doubt anyone else from this era will. Dubois still has time tbf.

So are Vinny Paz and Arturo Gatti.

Doesn't mean they were ATG boxers.

Both 2 weight world champions.

[HalloweenJack]

I’ve got as much chance of a hall of fame appearance as Dubois

It all depends on what Dubois does with the rest of his career.

[sennafan24]

‘Contrarian opinion’

A lot of people consider Fury to be a hypejob nowadays.

Recency bias. Fury will be inducted in the hall of fame and apart from Usyk, I doubt anyone else from this era will. Dubois still has time tbf.

So are Vinny Paz and Arturo Gatti.

Doesn't mean they were ATG boxers.

Both 2 weight world champions.

But not ATGs.

Frank Bruno is also in. Hardly an ATG heavyweight.

Joshua will also probably go in. Doesn't mean he is an ATG or that he wasn't overhyped.

[sennafan24]

I’ve got as much chance of a hall of fame appearance as Dubois

It all depends on what Dubois does with the rest of his career.

Itauma is most probably going to be the best heavyweight of the next generation.

I think there is am excellent chance he'll have a better career than Fury, Joshua and Dubois. Not that any of those three are ATGs of course.

[HalloweenJack]

A lot of people consider Fury to be a hypejob nowadays.

Recency bias. Fury will be inducted in the hall of fame and apart from Usyk, I doubt anyone else from this era will. Dubois still has time tbf.

So are Vinny Paz and Arturo Gatti.

Doesn't mean they were ATG boxers.

Both 2 weight world champions.

But not ATGs.

Frank Bruno is also in. Hardly an ATG heavyweight.

Joshua will also probably go in. Doesn't mean he is an ATG or that he wasn't overhyped.

Bruno isn’t in.
Ricky Hatton was only the 8th British fighter Inducted ( in the modern day category ) the others being
Lennox Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Barry Mcguigan
Naseem Hamed
Joe Calzaghe
Carl Froch

It’s a travesty Lloyd Honeyghan isn’t in. Tyson Fury will be inducted. Fury’s win over Wlad and the trilogy with Wilder will ensure that. He has lost 2 close fights in his career and I still think he did enough in the first Usyk fight.

[sennafan24]

Recency bias. Fury will be inducted in the hall of fame and apart from Usyk, I doubt anyone else from this era will. Dubois still has time tbf.

So are Vinny Paz and Arturo Gatti.

Doesn't mean they were ATG boxers.

Both 2 weight world champions.

But not ATGs.

Frank Bruno is also in. Hardly an ATG heavyweight.

Joshua will also probably go in. Doesn't mean he is an ATG or that he wasn't overhyped.

Bruno isn’t in.
Ricky Hatton was only the 8th British fighter Inducted ( in the modern day category ) the others being
Lennox Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Barry Mcguigan
Naseem Hamed
Joe Calzaghe
Carl Froch

It’s a travesty Lloyd Honeyghan isn’t in. Tyson Fury will be inducted. Fury’s win over Wlad and the trilogy with Wilder will ensure that. He has lost 2 close fights in his career and I still think he did enough in the first Usyk fight.

Ahhh yes Bruno isn't it. The AI on Google inaccurately claims he was inducted in 2003.

Anyway, even if Fury is inducted it will not make him an ATG heavyweight. As stated, non-ATG boxers have made it into the HOF in the past.

As for his career, he was great against Wlad, in the rematch against Wilder, and in the Chisora rematch. But he had low points (McDermott, Ngannou), ordinary performances (Wallin) and long periods of inactivity (2015-2018). There just isn't enough depth or quality on his record to support his case as an ATG level heavyweight. "Shithousery" and contrarian scorecards for the first Usyk bout do not change that.

[HalloweenJack]

So are Vinny Paz and Arturo Gatti.

Doesn't mean they were ATG boxers.

Both 2 weight world champions.

But not ATGs.

Frank Bruno is also in. Hardly an ATG heavyweight.

Joshua will also probably go in. Doesn't mean he is an ATG or that he wasn't overhyped.

Bruno isn’t in.
Ricky Hatton was only the 8th British fighter Inducted ( in the modern day category ) the others being
Lennox Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Barry Mcguigan
Naseem Hamed
Joe Calzaghe
Carl Froch

It’s a travesty Lloyd Honeyghan isn’t in. Tyson Fury will be inducted. Fury’s win over Wlad and the trilogy with Wilder will ensure that. He has lost 2 close fights in his career and I still think he did enough in the first Usyk fight.

Ahhh yes Bruno isn't it. The AI on Google inaccurately claims he was inducted in 2003.

Anyway, even if Fury is inducted it will not make him an ATG heavyweight. As stated, non-ATG boxers have made it into the HOF in the past.

As for his career, he was great against Wlad, in the rematch against Wilder, and in the Chisora rematch. But he had low points (McDermott, Ngannou), ordinary performances (Wallin) and long periods of inactivity (2015-2018). There just isn't enough depth or quality on his record to support his case as an ATG level heavyweight. "Shithousery" and contrarian scorecards for the first Usyk bout do not change that.

If Fury fights Usyk when he fought Wilder the second time, he wins and I won’t be convinced otherwise. I think his status will rise years down the line, just like Lennox Lewis did.

[HalloweenJack]

Speaking of depth on resumes. What about Riddick Bowe? He has Holyfield but who else? Now talent wise I rate Bowe and I think he beats many ATG heavyweights, but he never fought Lewis in the pros or Tyson, got beat up twice by Golota ( before the low blows) he also got a ‘subjective’ decision against Tony Tubbs.

[Randall]

Both 2 weight world champions.

But not ATGs.

Frank Bruno is also in. Hardly an ATG heavyweight.

Joshua will also probably go in. Doesn't mean he is an ATG or that he wasn't overhyped.

Bruno isn’t in.
Ricky Hatton was only the 8th British fighter Inducted ( in the modern day category ) the others being
Lennox Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Barry Mcguigan
Naseem Hamed
Joe Calzaghe
Carl Froch

It’s a travesty Lloyd Honeyghan isn’t in. Tyson Fury will be inducted. Fury’s win over Wlad and the trilogy with Wilder will ensure that. He has lost 2 close fights in his career and I still think he did enough in the first Usyk fight.

Ahhh yes Bruno isn't it. The AI on Google inaccurately claims he was inducted in 2003.

Anyway, even if Fury is inducted it will not make him an ATG heavyweight. As stated, non-ATG boxers have made it into the HOF in the past.

As for his career, he was great against Wlad, in the rematch against Wilder, and in the Chisora rematch. But he had low points (McDermott, Ngannou), ordinary performances (Wallin) and long periods of inactivity (2015-2018). There just isn't enough depth or quality on his record to support his case as an ATG level heavyweight. "Shithousery" and contrarian scorecards for the first Usyk bout do not change that.

If Fury fights Usyk when he fought Wilder the second time, he wins and I won’t be convinced otherwise. I think his status will rise years down the line, just like Lennox Lewis did.

Wilder is an absolute bum

[sennafan24]

Both 2 weight world champions.

But not ATGs.

Frank Bruno is also in. Hardly an ATG heavyweight.

Joshua will also probably go in. Doesn't mean he is an ATG or that he wasn't overhyped.

Bruno isn’t in.
Ricky Hatton was only the 8th British fighter Inducted ( in the modern day category ) the others being
Lennox Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Barry Mcguigan
Naseem Hamed
Joe Calzaghe
Carl Froch

It’s a travesty Lloyd Honeyghan isn’t in. Tyson Fury will be inducted. Fury’s win over Wlad and the trilogy with Wilder will ensure that. He has lost 2 close fights in his career and I still think he did enough in the first Usyk fight.

Ahhh yes Bruno isn't it. The AI on Google inaccurately claims he was inducted in 2003.

Anyway, even if Fury is inducted it will not make him an ATG heavyweight. As stated, non-ATG boxers have made it into the HOF in the past.

As for his career, he was great against Wlad, in the rematch against Wilder, and in the Chisora rematch. But he had low points (McDermott, Ngannou), ordinary performances (Wallin) and long periods of inactivity (2015-2018). There just isn't enough depth or quality on his record to support his case as an ATG level heavyweight. "Shithousery" and contrarian scorecards for the first Usyk bout do not change that.

If Fury fights Usyk when he fought Wilder the second time, he wins and I won’t be convinced otherwise. I think his status will rise years down the line, just like Lennox Lewis did.

1. Even if that is true it didn't happen. Thus it does not count towards his ATG case.

2. Lewis was often underrated throughout his career, and quite rightly people revised their view of him post-retirement. Fury was overrated during the second half of his career.

[sennafan24]

Speaking of depth on resumes. What about Riddick Bowe? He has Holyfield but who else? Now talent wise I rate Bowe and I think he beats many ATG heavyweights, but he never fought Lewis in the pros or Tyson, got beat up twice by Golota ( before the low blows) he also got a ‘subjective’ decision against Tony Tubbs.

Very few rate Bowe in the top 10 heavyweights of all-time.

[Randall]

I doubt anyone does

[HalloweenJack]

I doubt anyone does

Ive seen him in some. Colin Hart ( R.I.P) once did a list that had him I think at number 9 one place above Lennox.
Riddick Bowe is an example of a fighter who wasted his talent. He easily beats 90s version of Mike Tyson and I’d back him against 80s Tyson. Great all round fighter was Bowe ( jab, inside game, decent power)but he got hit way too much.

[Randall]

He wasn't better than Lewis
80s tyson beats him
Most elite people beat 90s tyson
Everyone beats 2000 tyson

[sennafan24]

I doubt anyone does

Ive seen him in some. Colin Hart ( R.I.P) once did a list that had him I think at number 9 one place above Lennox.
Riddick Bowe is an example of a fighter who wasted his talent. He easily beats 90s version of Mike Tyson and I’d back him against 80s Tyson. Great all round fighter was Bowe ( jab, inside game, decent power)but he got hit way too much.

None of this somehow makes Fury an ATG.

[sennafan24]

He wasn't better than Lewis
80s tyson beats him
Most elite people beat 90s tyson
Everyone beats 2000 tyson

+1

[HalloweenJack]

He wasn't better than Lewis
80s tyson beats him
Most elite people beat 90s tyson
Everyone beats 2000 tyson

Correct
Don’t agree
Lewis/Holyfield/Bowe do no one else does.
A fair few do.